[Moo] Axe

Wed Apr 2 07:53:24 PDT 2008

We have every badge image passed, just names that have not.  Words like
Dueling won't work because axes don't duel.  Once again, don't you love
heraldry?!  There have been some good suggestions and I am writing them
all down to go through with the submission rules and the O&A.

Maybe the rules listed below will help a bit more (because I love that
everyone is trying to figure this out too!), taken from Rules for
Submission http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/rfs.html.  Keep the ideas
coming!!

Rhonwen

Branch names, names of orders and awards, heraldic titles, and household
names must consist of a designator that identifies the type of entity
and at least one descriptive element.  Common designators are Shire ,
Barony , Guild , House , Order of the , and Herald . The designator must
be appropriate to the status of the submitter. Society branches may use
the designator established by Corpora for their category of group or any
authorized alternative form. The designator may be included as part of a
one-word name if the authorized form was used that way in period, like
the English word shire , which appears as a part of the one-word name
Worcestershire .

Names of orders and awards must follow the patterns of the names of
period orders and awards.  These are often the names of saints; others
are similar to sign names (see RfS III.2.a.iii). Some examples are: the
Order of Saint Michael , the Order of Saint Maurice and Saint Lazarus ,
the Brethren of the Sword , the Order of the Garter , La Toison dOr (the
Order of the Golden Fleece ), the Order of the Golden Rose , the Order
of the Star , the Order of the Swan , La Orden de la Jara (the Knights
of the Tankard ), the Order of Lilies .

Non-Personal Names. - Branch names, order and award names, heraldic
titles, and household names must be significantly different from other
protected non-personal names.

a. Difference of Descriptive Elements - A descriptive element is a word
other than a designator, an article, a preposition, or the name of a
branch of the Society. Two descriptive elements are considered
significantly different if they differ significantly in both sound and
appearance. Descriptive elements that are not significantly different
are said to be equivalent .

b. Conflict of Names with the Same Number of Elements - Two non-personal
names with the same number of descriptive elements conflict unless at
least one of the following conditions is met.

i. Change of Elements - Two such names do not conflict if each of them
contains a descriptive element significantly different from every
descriptive element in the other.  House Saint Mary , Saint Mary Herald
, and the College of Sainte Marie all conflict with one another because
their descriptive elements are equivalent; House , Herald , and College
of , being designators, are not descriptive elements. The House of the
Red Dolphin does not conflict with the House of the Blue Dolphin or the
House of the Red Lion . The Order of the White Scarf of Ansteorra
conflicts with the Order of the White Scarf of Atenveldt because
Ansteorra and Atenveldt are not descriptive elements as defined above in
clause 2. a.

ii. Change of Order or Grammar - Two such names containing equivalent
descriptive elements do not conflict if either the order of the elements
or the grammatical structure of the name has changed in a way that
significantly changes the meaning of the name as a whole.  The Order of
the Sword and the Tower conflicts with the Order of the Tower and the
Sword because the change in order does not significantly change the
meaning of the name. Similarly, the Order of the Guardians of the Castle
conflicts with the Order of the Castles Guardians . The Order of the
Castle of the Guardians does not conflict the Order of the Guardians of
the Castle because the change in order significantly changes the
meaning; it does not conflict with the Order of the Castles Guardians
because the change in grammatical structure significantly changes the
meaning.

c. Conflict of Names with Different Numbers of Elements - Two
non-personal names with different numbers of descriptive elements
conflict if the only difference in the descriptive parts is the addition
of one or more modifiers to a single, already modified root element.
The addition of one or more modifiers to an unmodified noun is a
significant change, so Black Lion Herald does not conflict with Lyon
King of Arms . The Order of the Black Rampant Lion conflicts with the
Black Lion Herald , however, since Rampant is added to an already
modified noun. (Adding further modifiers to an already modified noun is
not a significant change because it is generally not good period style.
) The Order of the Black Lions Heart does not conflict with the Black
Lion Herald since the added element, Heart , is not a modifier.
Similarly, the Order of the Tower and the Sword does not conflict with
the Order of the Sword .

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From: moo-bounces at stierbach.org [mailto:moo-bounces at stierbach.org] On
Behalf Of Adrianna du Chesne
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 10:34 AM
To: moo at stierbach.org
Subject: Re: [Moo] Moo Digest, Vol 52, Issue 3

Vined Machetes?

Dueling Machetes?

Vined Marksman?  (too close to Marksman?)

or for a combo: Dueling Vined Machetes?

In reading, it's only the name, not the picture of that has bounced, or
is it both?

Dueling Silver Machetes?  (Blades crossed over a bullseye field)

Is Allen's idea of Spear different enough?  Award of the Silver Spear?

~Adrianna~

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