[Moo] Axe

Thu Apr 3 06:20:32 PDT 2008

just keep in mind...As I (a non-herald, but one who has a "history" with
these award names) understand the rules, we need to keep the entire name of
the award in one language. That's what tripped us on "Argent Glove". So if
we're going with the earlier name/spelling, we need to make sure the entire
award name is in the correct language/dialect.

Briana

On 4/3/08, Cecelia Hughes <hughescecelia at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Of all the variations listed, I really like "hache," although it's
> stretching the actual meaning, it does apply to our purpose.
>
> Graidhne
>
> --- Janie Darby <briana491 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ok, I looked up "hatchet" in a couple of online dictionaries.
> > Definitely
> > dates to Period origin, though not sure when/where the current
> > spelling took
> > hold.
> >
> > I like either that or "adze". However, an adze doesn't look like an
> > axe.
> > It's blade is set at a right angle to the haft. Think hoe with a
> > sharp blade
> > and a shorter handle. It is used for shaping wood - not a thrown
> > weapon.
> >
> > From Merriam-Webster online dictionary:
> >
> > Main Entry: hatch·et Pronunciation: \ˈha-chət\ Function: *noun*
> > Etymology: Middle
> > English *hachet,* from Anglo-French *hachette,* diminutive of
> > *hache*battle-ax  Date:
> > 14th century 1 *:* a short-handled ax often with a hammerhead to be
> > used
> > with one hand
> > And here's another:
> >   The American Heritage(R) Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth
> > Edition.  2000.   *hatchet*    SYLLABICATION: hatch·et
> > PRONUNCIATION<http://www.bartleby.com/61/12.html>
> > :   <http://www.bartleby.com/61/wavs/17/H0081700.wav> hcht NOUN: *1.*
> > A
> > small, short-handled ax for use in one hand. *2.* A tomahawk.
> > ETYMOLOGY: Middle
> > English *hachet*, from Old French *hachete*, diminutive of *hache*,
> > ax, of
> > Germanic origin; akin to Old High German *happa*, sickle.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4/3/08, enequy at comcast.net <enequy at comcast.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >  If the rules that Evan is applying here actaully work out (and
> > Evan is
> > > one I really trust that is up on most of the rules)  - - - then I
> > myself
> > > really would go for the idea of the "Award of the Silver Hatchet".
> > And it
> > > also matches the device. You got my vote on it.
> > >
> > > Enequy
> > >
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Dave Montuori <damont at wolfstar.com>
> > >
> > > > > I would love to quote you on that. The Golden Dolphin Herald
> > said I
> > > > > couldn't use different words for the same thing and have it
> > pass when
> > > we
> > > > > sat down and talked at Fall University. She knew that we were
> > trying
> > > to
> > > > > pass award names when she made that statement. I might have
> > > > > misinterpreted her statement but I was sure she said that it
> > had to be
> > >
> > > > > something completely different. Can you give me a link to that
> > ruling?
> > >
> > > > > Is it on the SCA precedents page?
> > > >
> > > > You have my permission to quote me on that. It's straight from
> > the Rules
> > >
> > > > for Submissions, Section V.2 -- I am unaware of any precedent
> > that
> > > > overrules the basic rule in this case.
> > > >
> > > > "a. Difference of D escrip tive Elements - A descriptive element
> > is a
> > > word
> > > > other than a designator, an article, a preposition, or the name
> > of a
> > > > branch of the Society."
> > > >
> > > > Here's the first important part:
> > > >
> > > > "Two descriptive elements are considered significantly different
> > if they
> > >
> > > > differ significantly in both sound and appearance. Descriptive
> > elements
> > > > that are not significantly different are said to be equivalent."
> > > >
> > > > And in the section immediately below that part, the middle
> > paragraph is
> > > > the most important:
> > > >
> > > > "b. Conflict of Names with the Same Number of Elements - Two
> > > non-personal
> > > > names with the same number of descriptive elements conflict
> > unless at
> > > > least one of the following conditions is met.
> > > >
> > > > " i. Change of Elements - Two such names do not conflict if each
> > of
> > > > them contains a descriptive element significantly different from
> > every
> > > > descriptive el ement in the other.
> > > >
> > > > " House Saint Mary , Saint Mary Herald , and the College of
> > Sainte
> > > > Marie all conflict with one another because their descriptive
> > elements
> > > are
> > > > equivalent; House , Herald , and College of , being designators,
> > are not
> > >
> > > > descriptive elements. The House of the Red Dolphin does not
> > conflict
> > > with
> > > > the House of the Blue Dolphin or the House of the Red Lion . The
> > Order
> > > of
> > > > the White Scarf of Ansteorra conflicts with the Order of the
> > White Scarf
> > >
> > > > of Atenveldt because Ansteorra and Atenveldt are not descriptive
> > > elements
> > > > as defined above in clause 2. a."
> > > >
> > > > Evan
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