[Moo] Topic for comment from Curia

[Denis Gagnon]

A law without enforcement is pointless.  Who would have the authority to
enforce such a law on the populace?  How can we have a certain assurance it
would be applied in a fairly standard fashion?  Do you write provisions for
medical reasons (which anyone can claim)? Do  we make exceptions for
newcomers or people using loaner garb? How can we tell ?

Too many questions, too many complications.  Keep that law off the books.

~Alexandre
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Jonathan Blaine <hourumiyamoto at gmail.com>wrote:

> My opinion? Drop the stupid law to begin with.
> We has this discussion Sunday at sir Richards, its pointless to have it as
> a law. Sure its nice to have those things looking period bit honestly, if I
> am out fighting, and I get thirsty, damnit I don't care if the water bottle
> is period looking, gimme some damn fluid before I die!
>
> This rule is a type of Nazi rule where I come from. Yes, we should have an
> attempt at period everything, but he SCA is not a freaking ren faire, were
> suppose to have fun. If I get booted off a field for wearing nikes while I
> fight, I'm not having fun, and maybe I'm not rich or skilled enough to make
> period boots. Money issues...
>
> When you start not picking or screaming at people cause "that's not period"
> it removes the fun.
>
> Sorry sir your Honda accord isn't period, please walk yourself to pensic
> from California.
>
> Lighten up. Mention merely that we want to see more period stuff, don't go
> all apeshit on people. Give them ideas, but don't go not picking and
> pointing fingers.
>   On Dec 6, 2010 9:24 PM, <lady_esperanza at cox.net> wrote:
> > Their Highnesses (and their Majesties), asked for comment regarding
> changes to the current rules regarding the Appearance Law for the fighters
> of Atlantia.
> >
> > The current law is in the Atlantian Great Book of Law, 10. Rights of
> Subjects, 10.1 - Concerning Non-Period Items.
> >
> > 10.1.4 All plastic and/or modern sports equipment used by all
> participants on the field of combat must be covered in a manner to disguise
> the material in an attempt to display historical pre-17th Century
> accoutrements to the average passerby.
> >
> > 10.1.4.1 Plastic and other modern materials specifically required to
> promote safety or those that are medically required are exempt from this
> ruling. However, every attempt must be made, in good faith, to disguise
> those items.
> >
> > 10.1.4.2 Hand protection and shield edges may be made of plastic
> materials. However, it is the owner’s responsibility to attempt to disguise
> the appearance of those items to bring them into compliance with the spirit
> of this law.
> >
> > 10.1.4.3 Participants who are residents of another kingdom are to be
> considered our guests and are exempt from this ruling provided they meet
> Society minimum standards.
> >
> > 10.1.4.4 Newly transplanted citizens to Atlantia are to be granted a four
> month period of time to come into compliance with these laws.
> >
> > Their stated intent was not to necessarily tighten the rules but to
> change the wording of the Law so that it would be more clearly defined.
> Their quandary was more how can the Law wording be changed to include what
> is wanted without taking a step back, something that their Highnesses would
> not like to see.
> >
> > Some example of issues that were sited during Curia include:
> >
> > 1. Fighter X has made armor of plastic lamellar. This armor looks great,
> can't tell it's plastic from 10 feet away or even a foot away but by the
> letter of the law, all plastic needs to be covered.
> > 2. Plastic and other modern materials specifically required to promote
> safety or those that are medically required are exempt from this ruling.
> Well, isn't all armor required to promote safety and therefore by the letter
> of the law exempt from this ruling?
> > 3. Fighter X notices popped rivet on armor before fighting starts in the
> morning, armor temporarily fixed with duct tape, armor is safe to fight by
> marshal but by the letter of the law fighter should not be fighting if it
> does not meet the appearance rule.
> >
> > They also asked for comments regarding expanding the Appearance Law to
> the populace of Atlantia. They spoke of not wearing tennis shoes,
> sunglasses, covering blatantly modern items,etc.
> >
> > Feel free to discuss this on the e lists. If you would like your make
> your comments known to their Majesties and Highnesses please email:
> trh at atlantia.sca.org and trm at atlantia.sca.org. It was asked that comments
> be made before 12th Night, which is Jan 8th.
> >
> > Lady Esperanza Susanna Flecha
> > Seneschal, Barony of Stierbach
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