[Moo] Same Gender Corsort Proposal from SCA Announcement List

Fri Feb 3 02:45:48 PST 2012

I also do have a problem with this amendment, but I also think the
discussion is getting a bit out of hand.

I think that while this is a step in the right direction, the Board
unloaded what is a very charged issue on the shoulders of current and
future Crowns.

This means that if you have Crowns that are open to same gender
relationships, you will be allowed to fight.
If you don't, then you are out of luck.  Crown can arbitrarily chose
to refuse you the chance to fight for the person you want to.
I'm also thinking that Crowns being Crowns, they won't even need to
give you a reason why.
Maybe I am wrong, never having to fight for Crown.
Maybe the current Crowns DO need to give you a reason why they won't
let you fight.
Regardless, this is pushing a decision on the shoulders of people who
do this mainly for fun.

While I understand that the idea of the SCA is that we are ALL
supposed to be chivalrous, I have doubts that this amendment will be
applied the same way in ALL Kingdoms.  I am NOT pointing any fingers
here, I am just stating a fact.

All the Board had to do was to change the article to this wording and
I doubt we would have most of the conversations we had so far:

Each competitor in a Royal Lists must be fighting for a consort.

What's wrong with this sentence?

Heloise

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Marcolo DelMare
<marcolobronzethunder at gmail.com> wrote:
> Really? you are honestly comparing same gender relationships with rape,
> murder and incest? This is insulting and ignorant and using semantics to
> avoid the topic. Let me rephrase.
>
> Discrimination based on Race, Religion, Gender, Sexual Orientation or
> National Origin is immoral, bad, shameful and disgusting.
>
> The thing about medieval reenactment is we get to recreate the fun things
> about the middle ages without having to live through the crappy things. I
> like air conditioning, showering and modern medicine. I don't mind learning
> about blood letting and leach craft, but if I get sick I want to go to a
> modern doctor and get x-rays and medicine. Yes slavery existed in the middle
> ages, but I have no interest in that being portrayed in my leisure
> activities.
>
> Marcolo
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Barclay, Peter C LTC USA CIO/G6
> <Peter.c.Barclay at us.army.mil> wrote:
>>
>> Greetings from Terafan,
>>
>>
>>
>> Marcolo said: "Discrimination is always bad, always every time"
>>
>>
>>
>> Not true at all!  We discriminate every single day, but for good
>> reason.   For example, we don't allow someone to marry their sister... and
>> we usually don't allow known murderers or rapists to freely walk the streets
>> (without having paid duly for their crimes).
>>
>>
>>
>> To discriminate is to make a distinction.    Most of us believe
>> that murder, theft, and rape is bad.  However, some people think it is
>> OK for them to do those things.    However, we discriminate against them and
>> their beliefs and tell them that if they choose to do those things and we
>> convict them in a court of law, then we put them in jail.
>>
>>
>>
>> That is "discrimination".    We just usually don't call it that, because
>> the word "discrimination" is emotionally charged.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> My only point is that discrimination is NOT *always* bad.   I discriminate
>> (make distinctions) many, many times every single day.   None of those are
>> bad.    For example, if I choose Chik-Fil-A over McDonalds because I prefer
>> chicken over beef, then I am discriminating against them simply because "I
>> don't like that"...     However, we consider this perfectly acceptable
>> "discrimination".
>>
>>
>>
>> Discrimination is not necessarily bad.  The *reason* for which you
>> discriminate is what could be bad, but not every reason is bad.
>>
>>
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>>    Terafan
>>
>>
>>
>> Master Rhys Terafan Greydragon, OL, OP
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: moo-bounces at lists.stierbach.org [moo-bounces at lists.stierbach.org] on
>> behalf of Marcolo DelMare [marcolobronzethunder at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 6:26 AM
>> To: General Mailing List for the Barony of Stierbach
>> Subject: Re: [Moo] Same Gender Corsort Proposal from SCA Announcement List
>>
>>    No it doesn't need to address that possibility. I would much rather be
>> abused by cheaters than make ourselves bigots. Discrimination is always bad,
>> always every time. I don't want discrimination against mixed racial couples,
>> people with non christian personas, same gender couples or anyone else.
>>   And to stop the two Duke scenario, only one member of a couple may fight
>> in any crown tournament. If you are accepting someone to fight for you to be
>> sovereign or consort then you may not fight. And if you have been sovereign
>> OR consort you may not fight in the next crown. This way if a pair of Dukes
>> want to team up then it reduces the chance of one of them winning crown
>> because only one of them will be able to fight.
>>
>> ~M
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Dante di Pietro
>> <dante.di.pietro at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> One thing to keep in mind is that they had to include some kind of
>>> protection against the scenario where two dukes decide to fight together,
>>> double their odds so two more do, and so on. Without some kind of method of
>>> prevention, it would be POSSIBLE, if however UNLIKELY, to have a kingdom
>>> with no queen for years. Whatever issues there might be with the proposed
>>> language, and alternatives must address that possibility.
>>>
>>> On Feb 2, 2012 5:07 AM, "Marcolo DelMare"
>>> <marcolobronzethunder at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What a pile of crap. We are going to miss the opportunity to correct
>>>> discrimination verbage, and instead change the style of the discrimination.
>>>> Oh how big of us to say if you want you don't have to discriminate but we
>>>> prefer it if you do.
>>>>
>>>> Marcolo
>>>>
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