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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">----- Original Message ----<BR>From: Shannon D. Combs-Bennett <sdcbennett@alumni.indiana.edu><BR>To: General Mailing List for the Barony of Stierbach <moo@stierbach.org><BR>Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 10:53:24 AM<BR>Subject: [Moo] Axe<BR><BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We have every badge image passed, just names that have not. Words like Dueling wonąt work because axes donąt duel. Once again, donąt you love heraldry?! There have been some good suggestions and I am writing them all down to go through with the submission rules and the O&A.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Maybe the rules listed below will help a bit more (because I love that everyone is trying to figure this out too!), taken from Rules for Submission <A href="http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/rfs.html" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/rfs.html</A>. Keep the ideas coming!!</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Branch names, names of orders and awards, heraldic titles, and household names must consist of a designator that identifies the type of entity and at least one descriptive element. Common designators are <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Shire</SPAN></I> , <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Barony</SPAN></I> , <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Guild</SPAN></I> , <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">House</SPAN></I> , <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Order of the</SPAN></I> , and <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Herald</SPAN></I> . The designator must be appropriate to the status of the submitter. Society branches may use the designator established by Corpora for their category of group or any authorized alternative form. The designator may be included as part of a one-word name if the authorized form was used that way in
period, like the English word <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">shire</SPAN></I> , which appears as a part of the one-word name <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Worcestershire</SPAN></I> .</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Names of orders and awards must follow the patterns of the names of period orders and awards. These are often the names of saints; others are similar to sign names (see RfS III.2.a.iii). Some examples are: the <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Order of Saint Michael</SPAN></I> , the <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Order of Saint Maurice and Saint Lazarus</SPAN></I> , the <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Brethren of the Sword</SPAN></I> , the <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Order of the Garter</SPAN></I> , <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">La Toison dOr</SPAN></I> (the <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Order of the Golden Fleece</SPAN></I> ), the <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Order of the Golden Rose</SPAN></I> , the <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Order of the Star</SPAN></I> , the <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE:
italic">Order of the Swan</SPAN></I> , <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">La Orden de la Jara</SPAN></I> (the <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Knights of the Tankard</SPAN></I> ), the <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Order of Lilies</SPAN></I> .</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Non-Personal Names.</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> - Branch names, order and award names, heraldic titles, and household names must be significantly different from other protected non-personal names.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">a. Difference of Descriptive Elements</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> - A <I><U><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">descriptive element</SPAN></U></I> is a word other than a designator, an article, a preposition, or the name of a branch of the Society. Two <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">descriptive elements</SPAN></I> are considered <I><U><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">significantly different</SPAN></U></I> if they differ significantly in both sound <U>and</U> appearance. Descriptive elements that are not <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">significantly different</SPAN></I> are said to be <I><U><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">equivalent</SPAN></U></I> .</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">b. Conflict of Names with the Same Number of Elements</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> - Two non-personal names with the same number of descriptive elements conflict <U>unless</U> at least one of the following conditions is met.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">i. Change of Elements</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> - Two such names do not conflict if <U>each</U> of them contains a descriptive element significantly different from <U>every</U> descriptive element in the other. <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">House Saint Mary</SPAN></I> , <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Saint Mary Herald</SPAN></I> , and the <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">College</SPAN></I><I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"> of Sainte Marie</SPAN></I> all conflict with one another because their descriptive elements are equivalent; <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">House</SPAN></I> , <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Herald</SPAN></I> , and <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">College of</SPAN></I> , being designators,
are not descriptive elements. The <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">House of the Red Dolphin</SPAN></I> does not conflict with the <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">House of the Blue Dolphin</SPAN></I> or the <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">House of the Red Lion</SPAN></I> . The <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Order of the White Scarf of Ansteorra</SPAN></I> conflicts with the <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Order of the White Scarf of Atenveldt</SPAN></I> because <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Ansteorra</SPAN></I> and <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Atenveldt</SPAN></I> are not descriptive elements as defined above in clause 2. a.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">ii. Change of Order or Grammar</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> - Two such names containing equivalent descriptive elements do not conflict if either the order of the elements or the grammatical structure of the name has changed in a way that significantly changes the meaning of the name as a whole. The <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Order of the Sword and the Tower</SPAN></I> conflicts with the <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Order of the Tower and the Sword</SPAN></I> because the change in order does not significantly change the meaning of the name. Similarly, the <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Order of the Guardians of the Castle</SPAN></I> conflicts with the <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Order of the Castles
Guardians</SPAN></I> . The <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Order of the Castle of the Guardians</SPAN></I> does not conflict the <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Order of the Guardians of the Castle</SPAN></I> because the change in order significantly changes the meaning; it does not conflict with the <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Order of the Castles Guardians</SPAN></I> because the change in grammatical structure significantly changes the meaning.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">c. Conflict of Names with Different Numbers of Elements</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> - Two non-personal names with different numbers of descriptive elements conflict if the only difference in the descriptive parts is the addition of one or more modifiers to a single, already modified root element. The addition of one or more modifiers to an <U>unmodified</U> noun is a significant change, so <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Black Lion Herald</SPAN></I> does not conflict with <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Lyon King of Arms</SPAN></I> . The <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Order of the Black Rampant Lion</SPAN></I> conflicts with the <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Black Lion Herald</SPAN></I> , however, since <I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Rampant</SPAN></I> is added to an already modified noun. (Adding further modifiers to an already modified noun is not a significant change because it is generally not good period style. ) The <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Order of the Black Lions Heart</SPAN></I> does not conflict with the <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Black Lion Herald</SPAN></I> since the added element, <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Heart</SPAN></I> , is not a modifier. Similarly, the <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Order of the Tower and the Sword</SPAN></I> does not conflict with the <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Order of the Sword</SPAN></I> .</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> moo-bounces@stierbach.org [mailto:moo-bounces@stierbach.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Adrianna du Chesne<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, April 02, 2008 10:34 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> moo@stierbach.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Moo] Moo Digest, Vol 52, Issue 3</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Vined Machetes?</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Vined Marksman? (too close to Marksman?)</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">or for a combo: Dueling Vined Machetes?</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In reading, it's only the name, not the picture of that has bounced, or is it both?</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dueling Silver Machetes? (Blades crossed over a bullseye field)</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Is Allen's idea of Spear different enough? Award of the Silver Spear?</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">~Adrianna~</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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