[Moo] Topic for comment from Curia

[Jonathan Blaine]

This is not even slightly possible. First off, what's the point in having
personas? We would be forcing people to be Viking, or English or whatever
for that event. And in case of large loaned box, how could we possibly make
a large enough box with Viking armor, garb, feast gear, etc.. its hard
enough as is finding ways to make what we already have work for people.

There is just too many shapes and sizes and unsure amount of people that
attend these events as is. Are groups willing to make loaned boxes of 1000
different pants, shirts, skirts, dresses, armor, helmets, etc?

I think we are defeating the purpose of the sca by doing that. This started
as a historical researching group, not a renn faire group. We are not trying
to be a renn faire, we are trying to put those "things from the past" to
practical use and see how they worked.. that's what the sca is about, not
fighting, not putting on a show for people, not trying to be stuck in the
"medieval era". Can we please keep with the original intent?
On Jan 16, 2011 11:44 PM, "Leif Johnston" <leif at resourcecompany.com> wrote:
> I was thinking about this today. It strikes me that the pursuit of a pure
> period context should be tied to the event and the advertising process. To
> be fair, having folks representing anything from around the world from
> 600-1600 is not really period. That said, should an organization seek to
put
> on an event like 12th night that was focused on a viking period context,
> they should be able to enforce the defintion of period for that context -
in
> my opinion with a large enough loaner box.
>
> To be fair, things like falming torches, most metal serving trays and the
> facilities we celebrate in are not realistic either.
>
> I would think that accomodations for things like glasses are reasonable.
It
> would seem that someone seeking to "play" would find ways to mitigate a
> handicap with an elegant carved walking stick or the like and it is likely
> unreasonable that all accomodations for handicap be considered, but...
>
> Clearly we make exceptions for safety or we would fight like regia
anglorum.
>
> IN sum, period isn't really historically valid, but still the game we
play.
> Historicity would suggest that japanese doesn't fit with european in the
> middle ages.
>
> Not sure what to do with that, but... my 2 cents
>
>
> -W
>
> _____
>
> From: moo-bounces at lists.stierbach.org
> [mailto:moo-bounces at lists.stierbach.org] On Behalf Of
> siegfriedmcclure at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 9:06 AM
> To: moo at lists.stierbach.org; watchtower at sudentorre.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [Moo] Topic for comment from Curia
>
>
> Ok, some points.....
>
> First, before commenting, please take a look at
> http://law.atlantia.sca.org/Law.html. The complete list of laws and
> policies can be found here: http://law.atlantia.sca.org/Law.pdf. All of
the
> laws and policies are up for review. Read through the documents, and make
> suggestions.
>
>
> Whatever the laws are, were, or will become, only a few people have the
> responsibility to enforce Kingdom Law. During marshaled activities, the
> Marshals have this task. Typically, this is done during inspections. The
> Marshal in charge of a particular activity (Tourney, Shoot, etc...) has
the
> authority to refuse participation to someone not in compliance. In any
> other case, the Autocrat and Seneschal are the ones with enforcement
> authority. The rest of the populace SHOULD (but are not required to) HELP
> those who they feel are in violation. Lead by example, show restraint, be
> courteous, be helpful. If you see something that you feel is egregious,
> find the Autocrat.
>
>
>
> So here is the section on Non-period Items:
> 10.1 Concerning Non-Period Items
>
> 10.1.1 Canned beverages and other obvious modern items are
> forbidden at all Kingdom-level events. The one exception is that they are
> permitted within a pavilion with the owner's express permission. In this
> case, those who bring the cans or other items are responsible for their
> timely and discreet disposal.
> 10.1.2 Smoking is forbidden in the central area of a Society
> event. The central area of an event is defined as any area where people
must
> be present in order to participate in the event, such as the hall where a
> feast is taking place, or the lists and the area surrounding them during a
> tournament. The autocrat shall define the boundaries of the central area
and
> the autocrat shall, if possible, provide some other area as convenient as
> may be found where smoking is permitted and made safe and practicable.
> Smoking is permitted in the interior of pavilion/home only with the
express
> permission of the owner of the pavilion/home.
> 10.1.3 The use of flash bulbs is forbidden in the central area of
> a Society event, being defined as any area where people must be present in
> order to participate in the event, such as the hall where a feast or court
> is taking place. The autocrat shall be responsible for defining the
> boundaries of the central area and should be consulted before any
> photography using flash bulbs takes place. Photography with flash bulbs is
> permitted in the interior of a pavilion only with the owner's permission,
> but only if this use of a flash bulb will not disturb anyone in the main
> area of an event. It is hoped that anyone taking photographs at any time
> will first obtain permission from those being photographed as a matter of
> courtesy.
> 10.1.4 All plastic and/or modern sports equipment used by all
> participants on the field of combat must be covered in a manner to
disguise
> the material in an attempt to display historical pre-17th Century
> accoutrements to the average passerby.
>
> 10.1.4.1 Plastic and other modern materials specifically required
> to promote safety or those that are medically required are exempt from
this
> ruling. However, every attempt must be made, in good faith, to disguise
> those items.
> 10.1.4.2 Hand protection and shield edges may be made of plastic
> materials. However, it is the owner's responsibility to attempt to
disguise
> the appearance of those items to bring them into compliance with the
spirit
> of this law.
> 10.1.4.3 Participants who are residents of another kingdom are to
> be considered our guests and are exempt from this ruling provided they
meet
> Society minimum standards.
> 10.1.4.4 Newly transplanted citizens to Atlantia are to be granted
> a four month period of time to come into compliance with these laws.
>
>
>
> A strict interpretation of the rules shows some serious flaws. Note that
> transplants from other Kingdoms have a four month grace period for
> compliance on the list (10.1.4.4), but newcomers have none for simply
being
> at the event. Professional cameras are "obvious modern items", and are
> forbidden (10.1.1), but photography is allowed (10.1.3).
>
> FYI - these laws have been on the books for a while. The current push is
to
> FIX the laws.
>
> I understand that the discussion will bring a host of complaints, but
> understand that by the letter of the law, if you need to have an
orthopedic
> shoe, you can wear it during Archery (10.1.4.1), but not at court
(10.1.1).
> The law needs to be changed. This is your chance to have a hand in the
> changes. For example, I think that there should be a line that states "Any
> items that are required for the safe and proper execution of an Officer's
> job responsibilities are exempt".
>
> I intend to go through the law and policy documents, and then make
> suggestions to the Crown. I invite you to do the same.
>
>
> In service,
>
> Siegfried McClure
>
> Seneschal - Sudentorre
> 571-572-2489
>
>
>
>
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